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In our efforts to serve moms better, we are considering carrying a math curriculum for grammar level children called RightStart. It seems to be a powerful program that is well researched and uses manipulatives. Thus, it seems to be the kind of program we'd like to recommend. We are looking for feedback from those who either know this program well, have used it, or have a friend who has used it.

Here's their website: RightStart Mathematics

Please feel free to add additional comments after taking the survey. Thanks in advance for your help!

Question:
Which answer below most closely describes you?

Choices:
I've used this program for more than one school year.
I have used this program for 1-6 months only.
I have never used it, but I know someone who has.
I have researched this program.
I have never heard of this program, or have only the barest knowledge of it.

Question:
If you have used this program at all, how would you rate it, overall?

Choices:
5 Stars for both myself and my child.
Easy to use for me; not the greatest fit for my child.
I found it challenging to use, but my kids love it.
It's hard for me and hard for them. I won't be going on with it.
I have never used RightStart.

Question:
If you have researched, but not bought this program, why did you turn away?

Choices:
Opinions of others: I asked around and got better recommendations for our family.
Price: I could get the job done for less with another program.
Style/type of program: didn't like the number of manipulatives or the program theories.
Looks overwhelming or complex. I couldn't quite get my mind around it.
I did choose this program, or have not yet researched it.

Question:
(This may be best answered after you have time to research.) If Lampstand Press carried RightStart materials, would you probably be interested?

Choices:
I would probably purchase this program from you.
I might get it, but I'd look for it at a bargain price.
I have no interest in this program (happy where I am; don't like this program).
I don't think this program is a good one to carry (don't like this program--see above).

Question:
I currently use one of the programs below for grammar students.

Choices:
Math U See
Videotext
Saxon
Calvert
ABeka
Bob Jones University Press
Other

 


Blessings,
Marcia

No one can do me a greater kindness in this world than to pray for me.
--Charles Spurgeon
 
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Singapore math is our base program, but my 2nd dd is a kinesthetic learner, so I searched out hands on programs and settled on RS.

We have been using it for about 6 months. All my dc like it, but I, as the teacher, find it a little challenging to implement occasionally, sometimes because I’m tired of managing the manipulatives, sometimes because I don't see where a concept is going and sometimes because I am just having a long day and would prefer to stick a worksheet in front of them. Big Grin These issues come and go and are NOT a constant issue. I do find Singapore easier to implement.

If you offered the program at full price I would probably continue to purchase from another source where I either got a discount or free shipping (RR or CBD). But if you offered them at a slightly lower cost with a way to get free shipping I would glad to order them through you.

Blessings,

Heather


Married 16 years to a Computer Super Geek
Mom to dd10, dd9, dd7 and ds5.
History: TOG y3 classic
Science: Apologia Zoo 2 & RS4K Chemistry 1 with added texts.
Math: Right Start and Singapore
LA: Classical Writing, SL old LA K, 1, 2, SWR, JAG, WWE and FLL.
 
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I used RightStart, Levels B-E and own the Geometry (but haven't used it and probably won't).

We loved RightStart! It was teacher intensive; I don't know that I could have taught more than one level at a time. As it was, I combined my dds into the same level. They learned so much and had fun, too!

We are using Moving with Math now as a transition to a strictly textbook-based approach. (I don't like MWM nearly as well as RS.) We still use the manipulatives and games from RightStart.

My D and R dss are using Chalkdust.

If you have any further questions, I'd be glad to answer them.


Susan in La
Mom to 15yods (R), 14yods (R), 11yo dd (UG), 10yo dd (UG)
Current: Redesign 3
Completed: Classic Years 2, 3, 4, 1, 2

Serve the Lord with gladness (Psalm 100:2).
 
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Marcia,

I looked into RightStart for my grammar-aged dc, but it looked too teacher-intensive for me. I might have taken a risk if it was cheap, but it's not. There were a lot of things about this program that I liked, and I thought about it very seriously, but I am overwhelmed as it is! I think that if you were to carry it, I would need to be "sold" on why it would be good for large families.

We bought a really great spelling program (SWR) this past year, and I do believe it is the best program out there, but my oldest basically missed a year of spelling because it was so time-intensive that we rarely got to it. I don't want to make that mistake again. (We're using Spelling Power this fall.)

I would love to see you carry a full curriculum! I'd also like to see that I was wrong about RightStart, because I liked what I saw as far as their approach goes.

HTH

Julie in AZ
 
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We use Math-U-See, which teaches the children to 'count' the teen numbers as one-T, one-T one, etc. Then to say and count the twenties as two-T, two-T two, etc just like the RightStaet program. MUS also has the children think of their addition facts much like the RightStart program does, in tens and units. MUS is also much less expensive, even if you buy both sets of manipulatives and the wooden boxes to hold them in. I did so! MUS is also much easier to implement and the customer service is terrific, just like TOG!

If you carried this program, I *might* be interested in purchasing the games package. We like games to learn with!

One of side benefits is that the abacus would go right along with TOG Y1 ancient history, China!
Blessings,
~Evelyn Mae
 
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I have used Right Start for the past school year with my nine year old son and seven year old daughter. Another Mom showed it to me at a time when my daughter and I were both completely frustrated with math--it comes so easily to her older brother, but my daughter needs to see and experience math before she understands the concepts.

When I did my yearly interview of my children this spring, they both agreed that the math program was one of the most useful ways we spent our school time. They said that they learned a lot and it was fun learning. They both really like the math games.

We school year round, so for the summer my kids are continuing to learn using Right Start Math. I am also tutoring my neighbor's 10 year old daughter in math (using Right Start) and beginning the first level of Right Start with my four year old daughter.

I'm sure there are less time-intensive math programs available, but I really wanted my kids to have a strong foundation in math and I wanted them to learn it in a way that was fun. We often play games together as a family and quite often my kids choose to play the games from Right Start.

For our family, it is worth the price.


Brooke
 
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I used this for one year with my oldest two. My biggest complaint was the time it took for me to read through their lessons before we could do their daily lessons. We now use Singapore because it is easier on me...but we still use the Math Games, the abacus, and some of their Activities for the AL Abacus as needed with the Singapore. Just because it is a little more teacher-intensive does not make it a bad program...the results are great! I just felt we could do the same thing with Singapore. For moms that don't feel confident teaching math...then Rightstart would be better than Singapore, since Singapore is lacking in the area of teacher instruction.
 
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I was sold on Singapore until I found RightStart. I have only done levels A and B, but my 2 boys love it. They enjoy playing the games. It requires some work on the teachers part. You would personally have to decide if you were willing to devote the time to prepping and teaching the lessons. I was and am willing. I haven't found this program a whole lot cheaper anywhere. But if you order after a convention, don't you get free shipping on your order?

Patti
 
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I am glad to see you carrying spelling power and would like as well to see you carry a math also. I haven't heard of the math you mentioned but we are going to start math u see this year. I am going to do some research on right start. Like I said glad to see you carrying possibly math and spelling!


Mom of four -Training the hearts of Sara, Hannah, Grace, and Silas for the Lord.
 
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I have used RS for almost 4 years. My dd is in level E, which corresponds to 4th grade, and my son is in level D. They are completely different in the way they learn, but they both thrive with RS.

We started homeschooling almost 6 years using Saxon, quickly figured out that it wasn't for us, and switched to Singapore. I liked it, but there wasn't enough teacher help and I always found myself handing the workbook to my dd and having her go at it. It went too quickly for her, and math became a tearful occasion.

I switched to RS and never looked back. It's scripted, but not word-for-word, and in the early years there is very little written work. Lots of games & manipulatives. By 4th grade there is a worksheet everyday, but my kids even like those just fine.

I love RS, but it only goes through Level E, so once this book is done my dd will switch to Singapore 5. Both Singapore and RS are solid, challenging math programs, and I appreciate the emphasis on mental math. I don't think you can go wrong by using either one!


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11yods loves building anything & animals
 
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We are using RightStart Geometry now. It is packaged in an easy-to-use format, and manipulatives can be easily purchased from RightStart. This is a very sophisticated program! It covers geometric drawing (great for my child who loves to draw), geometry, and even some trigonometry. I'm astonished at the depth of the material, and yet the lessons are short and easy to implement. I recommend it highly.
 
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Interesting, Marcia!

Before we began formal homeschooling, I did use the abacus and blocks to introduce some basic math concepts to my son.

We chose Math U See as our primary math curriculum because of the high recommendations of experienced homeschoolers. We are just finishing Alpha in our K year with great results. I am extremely pleased with ds's progress and he absolutely loves math. I reinforce with lots of games (our favorites are Mancala and Ziggety, but we also use dice, Cinq-0). He definitely "gets" math evidenced by his ability to apply concepts to real-world situations with ease. I am often surprised by the applications.

I don't what to change what is working, but based on your post, I'm interested in Right Start as a supplement to our Math U See program.
I reviewed the Right Start website and I like the additional manipulatives available with the program and I would purchase from you.

Thanks for being on the look out for the best of what is not included in TOG.

educaring
 
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I have switched from Saxon to RightStart. I am actually still a fan of Saxon. I know high school kids who have graduated under Saxon, and, boy, they have some serious math skills. But, that style of math made my elementary child hate math, even though she was good at it. She was only 6, and already the math love was sucked right out of her. I'm a math major, and I knew we could make it more appealing and yet still rigorous for the younger child. I chose RightStart. My thoughts:

RightStart's strengths:
(1) It is an almost total hands-on approach to learning.
(2) Its use of the abacus makes mental math easy to learn and do.
(3) It has effective and fun card games to reinforce concepts.
(4) The closest that comes to it is Math-U-See. It's strength over Math-U-See seems to be (from others who know better than I) that Math-U-See (a GREAT program) uses manipulatives to help make abstract concepts make sense, whereas RightStart takes the abstract much closer to the concrete. I felt Math-U-See was a more manipulative-based way to do Saxon, or worksheet math, whereas RightStart was "making math real." Standard algorithms don't rule in RightStart. Rather, it makes the process of computing a more natural thing.

RightStart's weaknesses are
(1) It is very very very mom-intensive, not just in preparation (my prep time is fine, but with others it can be longer), but in lesson time with the student. For families with multiple children, its time commitment will be a problem unless older children can teach younger children.
(3) Sometimes it seems that the book hasn't been revised. It will list a material as needed in a lesson, and then nowhere is the material used, or alluded to, and it seems unnecessary once you've thought about it. In addition, I have on occasion thought a part of a lessons was vague. Each lesson fits on two pages, and perhaps to make everything fit there has occasionally been a sacrifice of text.
(2) Its cost is high, and undefendable, in my opinion. I'm very happy with RightStart, but their markup on standard manipulatives is excessive. In addition, the cost of their manual is completely unjustified. What kind of professional printer are they using? The cost per 2-sided page in B&W for a Level C workbook computes to 12.5 cents. WHAT?! The books are black and white only, no frills, done on standard paper, not glossy, with Kinko's spiral binding, and yet the cost matches that of Saxon, whose manual is 4 times the size. You COULD buy all the workbooks on CD, but that costs $26? (I think) more than the physical workbooks, and you have to pay your printing costs. Again, WHAT?! In business meetings, perhaps their motto is "sock-it-to-'em." Although I like RightStart, I feel that I am financing a few healthy retirement accounts. It is understandable that people are chased away from RigthStart because of the price.

Those first and third weaknesses are BIG. If you offer RightStart, make sure people understand that it requires time committments from Mom, and that the cost is high. If I were you, I would even redirect people to other sources for manipulatives at a cheaper price (like Rainbow Resources, which also offers free shipping over a certain $). For those not wanting to invest in the full curriculum, I would HIGHLY recommend the Math games, which work with ANY curriculum, and would recommend the separate book containing exercises with the abacus, which works with any program where Mom can invest the extra time.

My thoughts. I really like RightStart. I'm a happy RightStart user. It is so very much what I was looking for in a math program. But, the weaknesses, two of which could be easily addressed by the publisher, should be clearly understood by the purchaser.

Deanna
 
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Wow. I understand the reasoning behind Deanna's concern about RightStart. But I love it so much I am so willing to pay the price and the prep time is something I need since math is my weakest point. But the rewards for my six year old are wonderful. I love the fact that he gets so much out of it and I would not switch for anything. I have reviewed Singapore, Math U See, Saxon and nothing compares. It would be wonderful if there was a deal struck between TOG and RightStart. But I still would use this math. It is too much fun.

Monica in San Antonio TOGNESA
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Originally posted by deannatoby:
I have switched from Saxon to RightStart. I am actually still a fan of Saxon. I know high school kids who have graduated under Saxon, and, boy, they have some serious math skills. But, that style of math made my elementary child hate math, even though she was good at it. She was only 6, and already the math love was sucked right out of her. I'm a math major, and I knew we could make it more appealing and yet still rigorous for the younger child. I chose RightStart. My thoughts:

RightStart's strengths:
(1) It is an almost total hands-on approach to learning.
(2) Its use of the abacus makes mental math easy to learn and do.
(3) It has effective and fun card games to reinforce concepts.
(4) The closest that comes to it is Math-U-See. It's strength over Math-U-See seems to be (from others who know better than I) that Math-U-See (a GREAT program) uses manipulatives to help make abstract concepts make sense, whereas RightStart takes the abstract much closer to the concrete. I felt Math-U-See was a more manipulative-based way to do Saxon, or worksheet math, whereas RightStart was "making math real." Standard algorithms don't rule in RightStart. Rather, it makes the process of computing a more natural thing.

RightStart's weaknesses are
(1) It is very very very mom-intensive, not just in preparation (my prep time is fine, but with others it can be longer), but in lesson time with the student. For families with multiple children, its time commitment will be a problem unless older children can teach younger children.
(3) Sometimes it seems that the book hasn't been revised. It will list a material as needed in a lesson, and then nowhere is the material used, or alluded to, and it seems unnecessary once you've thought about it. In addition, I have on occasion thought a part of a lessons was vague. Each lesson fits on two pages, and perhaps to make everything fit there has occasionally been a sacrifice of text.
(2) Its cost is high, and undefendable, in my opinion. I'm very happy with RightStart, but their markup on standard manipulatives is excessive. In addition, the cost of their manual is completely unjustified. What kind of professional printer are they using? The cost per 2-sided page in B&W for a Level C workbook computes to 12.5 cents. WHAT?! The books are black and white only, no frills, done on standard paper, not glossy, with Kinko's spiral binding, and yet the cost matches that of Saxon, whose manual is 4 times the size. You COULD buy all the workbooks on CD, but that costs $26? (I think) more than the physical workbooks, and you have to pay your printing costs. Again, WHAT?! In business meetings, perhaps their motto is "sock-it-to-'em." Although I like RightStart, I feel that I am financing a few healthy retirement accounts. It is understandable that people are chased away from RigthStart because of the price.

Those first and third weaknesses are BIG. If you offer RightStart, make sure people understand that it requires time committments from Mom, and that the cost is high. If I were you, I would even redirect people to other sources for manipulatives at a cheaper price (like Rainbow Resources, which also offers free shipping over a certain $). For those not wanting to invest in the full curriculum, I would HIGHLY recommend the Math games, which work with ANY curriculum, and would recommend the separate book containing exercises with the abacus, which works with any program where Mom can invest the extra time.

My thoughts. I really like RightStart. I'm a happy RightStart user. It is so very much what I was looking for in a math program. But, the weaknesses, two of which could be easily addressed by the publisher, should be clearly understood by the purchaser.

Deanna
 
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This is one of the few programs we have heard of from friends who use it who have little to no negative comments. I have tried various other programs over the years but with limited success.

With #3 just starting "1st" and #4 on the way this may be something to consider.... I had been having the attitude of "oh we'll just use this stuff that #1 and #2 didn't do well with and hope for the best but am starting to rethink that thought as we get started with the boring old workbook for 1st.
 
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